I listened to your bonus Star Trek episode. I enjoyed your take on it very much.
You both talked about a scene between Doc Holliday and Mcoy. Doc is in a chair with a towel on his face. Doc was getting a shave, the towel would have been hot to open the pores to make shaving easier. This was common in days before running hot water. The third man in room was the barber. The audience at the time would be familiar with this due to popularity of westerns at the time.
Every episode exists to give shit to Spock who saves everyone. Lol.
Great episode to rewatch thanks for covering it. The drink you came up with sounds interesting, to bad I don't drink acholol.
The Kirk forearm strikes were common back then. Watch planet of the apes '68 to see heston fight the same way. Its laughable now.
aahhh bun of steel!! so good. im very excited for your extremely thorough analysis!
Not having grown up on Trek, I resisted Voyager for a long time after mourning the last episode of TNG. Once I finally came to my senses, it became an absolute favorite (for many of the reasons that you’ve stated, @lemk1988). It would be really fun to have an extended dialogue about Janeway, who often seems like two characters in one (operating by two different sets of contradictory values from episode to episode). Ultimately, however, you just have to love her and the glass-ceiling shattering she did with that bun of steel.
I can’t wait to bring all of this up during tomorrow’s recording, and I can’t wait to cover a Voyager ep on the Patreon!
Thank you so much for the kind words. Seven is a magnificent character -- one of the most complex we get, and perhaps my favorite iteration of the "what does it mean to be human" archetype (The Doctor a close second, though!). "Body and Soul" is a very funny episode while "Latent Image" is both horrifying and heart-breaking -- but these are all great suggestions. And we're definitely going to apply the Bechdel test to Discovery in our episode for next week, and I'm certain we'll end up comparing the show to Voyager on those grounds.
I'll have to check out that podcast. I am very into how in depth your analysis goes. you are definitely my favorite podcasters. but as for voyager, i am a fan of most episodes after 7-of-9 comes on board. Tuvix was a very interesting episode, and i think "riddles" where tuvok suffers some kind of brain problem that completely alters his personality. but, honestly i am just very invested in all the characters on voyager, particularly the relationship between janeway and 7-of-9 and tuvok and 7-of-9. Some episodes I like are "survival instinct", "body and soul", "author author", "the killing game I and II", "living witness" "drone", "timeless", im a sucker for time travel, and "latent image"
I think after watching Discovery, there is a lot more care put into the show than Voyager. It may be reflective of time period or budget, but discovery is a top quality show. they are really two different beasts and difficult to compare. but i think of the 80s/90s star trek, voyager has the most interesting characters and adventures. and its really hard to beat a woman in charge with other women also in commanding positions. i think it makes it more interesting and sometimes challenges some of the more normative behavior in the other shows. Its great to see women talking to each other about things other than men or as plot points for male protagonists. voyager breaks that often, which i love.
lemk1988, we love Voyager, too, and we definitely have plans to cover a Voyager episode during the hiatus. We've already covered Caretaker on our Patreon, and of course we discuss Janeway's controversial decision ... but we did that before Discovery was out, and we'd love to revisit that conversation with Discovery watchers now that we have a whole season of controversial decisions behind us.
Looking ahead, what are some of your favorite Voyager episodes? Given the Tyler/Voq storyline, I've been itching to talk about Tuvix, but I've also been thinking a lot about Tom and B'Elanna.
how about reviewing a Voyager episode?! people tend to really talk it down, but its my favorite series.
@Valerie, I will def. listen to the podcast! Don't have time to rewatch the DS9 ep, but I think I remember there being some older Cardassian guest actor whom I loved? I also love the Plants in Star Trek Instagram! BUT "Enterprise's" Reed always bugged me, I hated his lips.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the episode, Daniel. As TV and as Trek, I had a blast watching it and thought it was incredibly well-done.
I had a very shaking-my-head/face-palm moment for not realizing what was going on with the shaving scene! My familiarity with westerns is pretty centered on Italian Spaghetti Westerns, so if the shaving and dentistry connection ever came up, I must have missed it. Love your addition, Glenn, about early modernity.
The Silent Enemy would be really fun to cover - I’d love to talk to Glenn and engage with listeners about the early fitting of weapons onto Starfleet ships, and the tension between exploration, peace, protection, and war. I’m going to have a lot of complaints about Reed, though, so get ready for whatever the radio equivalent of an eye roll is.
@BionicDave - Come talk to us about Duet! We’d love to have your take on it on the forums! (Oh, and since Glenn mentioned it…tomorrow will be TNG’s debut on Plants in Star Trek!)
Isn't that the one about Reed's birthday? And we're always happy to take suggestions.
I hope Enterprise S1E12 Silent Enemy gets covered at some point. Best episode of season 1 imo.
We've been covering some Star Trek on our Patreon (which we're terrible about promoting). Over the break we're going to cover a variety of Trek -- an Enterprise episode and probably something from early TNG (to coincide with Plants in Star Trek) and a few others -- and we'd love to have you along for the journey. But you should have the DS9 episode "Duet" in the main Lower Decks feed. If it doesn't show up on your app, please let us know -- though you can also find it here on the website to stream.
Okay, I am bigly confused - do Glenn/Valerie do TOS and DS9 podcasts as well?
Wow, that's really interesting. Of course that makes sense, since they both need similar equipment that they would either be the same person or share the equipment. In the Roman world and up through early modernity, surgeons were often just barbers, but it's never occurred to me that dentistry might also grow out of that.
Also, it's curious that not only do we not know who the Discovery CMO is, we don't know who the barber is either. Have we seen any Bolians onboard?
There was a dentist sign. Both dentist and barber work out of same shop back then. That adjustable chair was a high dollar, super hard to get piece of equipment.
Daniel, thanks for checking out Spectre of the Gun. Man, I swear that there's a dentist's sign outside that shop, but, right, of course he was getting a shave. I'm going to blame my beard for not understanding what was going on.
And I'll try to come up with a non-alcoholic version of that shot for you.