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S2 Ep12 Through the Valley of Shadows

Great episode. Loved the whole Pike storyline this episode. It's a great series to have him see the future we know he has and chose it anyway.

The secondary story with the crew was great, It was so refreshing.

Strong setup for the next episode.

32 comments

32 Comments

Greg

Apr 09, 2019

Another great podcast. Y'all helped my grouchy self enjoy some bits of the episode that I missed amid the things that bothered me. So, that's cool!

Karen Chuplis

Apr 08, 2019

So I rewatched Voyager End Game tonight after seeing some mentions about Adm. Janeway getting a chroniton deflector from the Klingons. I had totally forgotten about this. So I wonder if this is the genesis of the idea that Klingons are the keepers. It does beam green as well. I’d also forgotten how much I love that finale. I don’t know why people hate it. I think it’s about the best show finale of all the series. (But I am NOT a fan of All Good Things. Heresy, I know. )

chrissam42

Apr 09, 2019

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@Karen Chuplis That's interesting as I really enjoyed the character extrapolations even if it "never actually happens" and I'm surprised you didn't :)

My big problem with All Good Things was the big mistake in the time logic, when the future folks go to the site of the anomaly and it's not there. It should be there but small and in the process of shrinking to nothing!!! But part of growing up is learning to deal with inconsistencies in sci-fi movies, so I have almost come to terms with it.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 09, 2019

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@chrissam42 yeah, I don't know why. But, like I said I haven't watched it for years (for that reason) and I should. I do find my opinion changes on episodes over the years. But I do find that it is soooo lauded, when honestly...I don't think it all holds up that well time wise and here people pick on any and everything time wise all over the place in ST.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 09, 2019

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(which I guess the answer to that is...did you have enough fun watching to overlook using time changes.)

Karen Chuplis

Apr 07, 2019

I can’t find it! I went to the page here and only see Glenn pouring a drink.

chrissam42

Apr 08, 2019

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@G.L. McDorman @Karen Chuplis I use Downcast and love it. Very configurable (download new episodes or not, keep old ones or not, sort them different ways, playback speeds) and you can individually override all the settings for each feed. But yeah it doesn't seem to show any HTML in the description.

Valerie H.

Apr 08, 2019

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@Karen Chuplis For good measure, here's Glenn and I being giant nerds on the lawn in the courtyard of Knox College (on a different day, because we were obviously obsessed with the place). This courtyard is right behind the walkway in the first photo.

Bonus: Glenn's Klingon tattoo is on full display.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 09, 2019

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@Valerie H. So cool!

Daniel Falch

Apr 06, 2019

Besides the reaction of current Pike, I have to wonder what future Pike was thinking when confronted with the apparition of himself at the moment of decision. Was he screaming No with a voice that no longer exists or was he accepting of what happened. I like to think he was rolling out the door on his way to be transported to Talos IV and one second later Spock came through that door.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 06, 2019

Podcast response: Re: privacy. Lol. In my family no one would but my BFFs family barely let’s someone leave the room before they are on the horn to the rest of the family.

Yes! Someone else who loved the Kirk in a cave feel!

Wait. WHERE IS THE PHOTO?????!

I love the action of Pike immediately feeling for his badge. His tether and then reciting what amounts to a mantra for him. So touching.

I guess I figured it was that the person wanting to remove the crystal had to pay the price. So I therefore like the idea it applies specifically to that person. I think the same would be for whoever actually took the time suit crystal.

I guess I like that monastery being different because it’s a place unto

it’s own. Boreth is special and so is this Klingon monk And the Time chapel. (See everything does sound cooler with time in front of it. ) We’ve always known not all Klingons can be equally warrior like. It’s kind of nice seeing one of the sub-cultures.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 08, 2019

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@G.L. McDorman Hmm. I'd think you are still locked in, but...I don't know why I think that. Hey, something I totally forgot until reading around the net is that Janeway gets her time device to save Voyager in End Game from Korath in return for getting him appointed to the council. I'd lay dollars to donuts that is where the idea came from. Also, anyone else notice we've been watching them float past us in the opening credit for two seasons? People keep saying they thought that they were dilithium crystals. but those are pink.

G.L. McDorman

Apr 08, 2019

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@Karen Chuplis Oh, I thought the crystals were new for this season! What a great catch.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 08, 2019

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@G.L. McDorman I've always noticed them but just thought "Ooo pretty". lol. That's how deep and observant I am. lol

Karen Chuplis

Apr 06, 2019

I got a little bored today and made this. Lol. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv5DNAEFzaS/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1vngilb84h4e9

Valerie H.

Apr 08, 2019

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Please make 100 million more of these.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 08, 2019

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@Valerie H. @glenn lol. (I make LOTS of gifs and clips. I run @startrekpod on twitter for them, so you can catch those there. On the off season I intend to do more things like this.)

G.L. McDorman

Apr 08, 2019

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@Karen Chuplis On it.

Karen Chuplis

Apr 06, 2019

He’s my hero. I mean how did they take a famous Captain from 50 years who we really didn’t know THAT much about and seriously propel him to. The. Top? Did you notice his hair is greyer??

I really enjoyed the episode, but If Memory Serves is still probably my favorite. Loved Reno. Loved her scene with Culber. She really snuck in drawing him out about weddings and then just turned into no nonsense Jett and brought it home. “I didnt get A second chance. You do. Don’t mess it up.”

Anyone who tells me Time crystals are magical I’m just going to say yeah so are Orbs and everyone loves them. Lol. I know it has its weaknesses but the character stories are not one of them and they are bringing me along fine. They’d just better not pull a Kern in order to “explain whybSpick never mentioned Burnham (as though we were with Spock every hour and year) and wipe his memory or something. It’s the one thing that makes me nervous is that continual “promise” To fans who probably won’t be happy no matter what they do.

Daniel Falch

Apr 06, 2019

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For Burnham being the main character, this had right amount of Burnham.

I loved seeing crew just having a meal and being happy. It looks like a better place to work than any jobs I've had.

G.L. McDorman

Apr 08, 2019

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@Daniel Falch Loved that scene, too. We need more of those moments. And episodes about characters on shore leave ... and visiting their families ... and playing poker. Please, please, please!