Apr 5

S2 Ep12 Through the Valley of Shadows


Great episode. Loved the whole Pike storyline this episode. It's a great series to have him see the future we know he has and chose it anyway.


The secondary story with the crew was great, It was so refreshing.


Strong setup for the next episode.

He’s my hero. I mean how did they take a famous Captain from 50 years who we really didn’t know THAT much about and seriously propel him to. The. Top? Did you notice his hair is greyer??


I really enjoyed the episode, but If Memory Serves is still probably my favorite. Loved Reno. Loved her scene with Culber. She really snuck in drawing him out about weddings and then just turned into no nonsense Jett and brought it home. “I didnt get A second chance. You do. Don’t mess it up.”


Anyone who tells me Time crystals are magical I’m just going to say yeah so are Orbs and everyone loves them. Lol. I know it has its weaknesses but the character stories are not one of them and they are bringing me along fine. They’d just better not pull a Kern in order to “explain whybSpick never mentioned Burnham (as though we were with Spock every hour and year) and wipe his memory or something. It’s the one thing that makes me nervous is that continual “promise” To fans who probably won’t be happy no matter what they do.

For Burnham being the main character, this had right amount of Burnham.


I loved seeing crew just having a meal and being happy. It looks like a better place to work than any jobs I've had.

@Daniel Falch Loved that scene, too. We need more of those moments. And episodes about characters on shore leave ... and visiting their families ... and playing poker. Please, please, please!

Please make 100 million more of these.

@Valerie H. @glenn lol. (I make LOTS of gifs and clips. I run @startrekpod on twitter for them, so you can catch those there. On the off season I intend to do more things like this.)

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Podcast response: Re: privacy. Lol. In my family no one would but my BFFs family barely let’s someone leave the room before they are on the horn to the rest of the family.


Yes! Someone else who loved the Kirk in a cave feel!




I love the action of Pike immediately feeling for his badge. His tether and then reciting what amounts to a mantra for him. So touching.


I guess I figured it was that the person wanting to remove the crystal had to pay the price. So I therefore like the idea it applies specifically to that person. I think the same would be for whoever actually took the time suit crystal.


I guess I like that monastery being different because it’s a place unto

it’s own. Boreth is special and so is this Klingon monk And the Time chapel. (See everything does sound cooler with time in front of it. ) We’ve always known not all Klingons can be equally warrior like. It’s kind of nice seeing one of the sub-cultures.

The photo is at bottom of episode description. I opened the Lower Decks icon in my podcasting app and selected this episode. Scroll down through the description and there it is.

Regarding the metaphysics of the crystals, everything that happens in the universe has a cascade effect (or butterfly effect, if you're into Ashton Kutcher). Pike's incapacity will prevent him from, for example, becoming the head of Starfleet, which may then have other consequences, and so on. So I'm wondering if the very personal fate of whoever took the time crystal in the Angel Suit is what has locked in the Robot Apocalypse -- if that person hadn't died or suffered in some particular way, would this all be happening differently? But also, what happens if the crystal is destroyed?

@G.L. McDorman Hmm. I'd think you are still locked in, but...I don't know why I think that. Hey, something I totally forgot until reading around the net is that Janeway gets her time device to save Voyager in End Game from Korath in return for getting him appointed to the council. I'd lay dollars to donuts that is where the idea came from. Also, anyone else notice we've been watching them float past us in the opening credit for two seasons? People keep saying they thought that they were dilithium crystals. but those are pink.

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Besides the reaction of current Pike, I have to wonder what future Pike was thinking when confronted with the apparition of himself at the moment of decision. Was he screaming No with a voice that no longer exists or was he accepting of what happened. I like to think he was rolling out the door on his way to be transported to Talos IV and one second later Spock came through that door.

I can’t find it! I went to the page here and only see Glenn pouring a drink.

I also didn't see it in mine, had to try a few different podcast feeds, but here it is!


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So I rewatched Voyager End Game tonight after seeing some mentions about Adm. Janeway getting a chroniton deflector from the Klingons. I had totally forgotten about this. So I wonder if this is the genesis of the idea that Klingons are the keepers. It does beam green as well. I’d also forgotten how much I love that finale. I don’t know why people hate it. I think it’s about the best show finale of all the series. (But I am NOT a fan of All Good Things. Heresy, I know. )

Whoa! Yes, that IS heresy! (But I'd love to know more). This is a great catch about the chroniton deflector. I haven't watched End Game in about four years, so I'm going to have to revisit it when this season is over.

Whoa! Yes, that IS heresy! (But I'd love to know more). This is a great catch about the chroniton deflector. I haven't watched End Game in about four years, so I'm going to have to revisit it when this season is over.

@G.L. McDorman More on why I'm not fond of it? I should rewatch it. I haven't in years. I just remember feeling like "it was all made up". And then it didn't really make sense to me of why it was all so important and just felt like it's sole purpose was to show me the characters in the future or possible future. And honestly, I'm just not a Q fan (even though I actually like De Lancie's portrayal. I've never been super into the temper tantrumy plots. I tend to like the couple in Voyager a lot more. Q in TNG just frustrates me. But I generally like how Janeway handles him and I like that Sisko punches him.)

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Apr 9

Another great podcast. Y'all helped my grouchy self enjoy some bits of the episode that I missed amid the things that bothered me. So, that's cool!

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