- I am so loving that Glenn & Valerie have backgrounds in Latin, history, classic lit, humantities, etc., and that they’re totally bringing it during these podcast episode discussions. I was an English major so it feeds my soul! Lol
- The podcast’s references to Dante’s Inferno / descending into the Underworld actually made me think about another classic Underworld tale - that of Orpheus and Eurydice - and how that could be the direction we see Stamets and Culber go. Maybe Stamets will be presented with his own chance to bring back his lover, yet will succeed where Orpheus failed. I’m really hoping Culber can return however they choose to make it work. I’m still holding out hope. But if he’s still dead at the end of the season, then I may take to the streets! haha
- Like Valerie, I also scratched my head and had to rewatch L’Rell’s confusing explanation for creating Ash-Voq. I think what happened was, the writers were trying to use terminology which sounded more sciencey/ complex, and less writer-y/ pop culture easy. Really, all she had to say was “we used the real Ash Tyler’s DNA and memory template to make Voq look and think like Tyler.”
- While Disco’s fast pace and violence doesn’t bother me, that stuff does bother me in other shows (e.g. “Gotham,” which I quit long ago). It really is “The Walking Dead’s” fault. That show is so crazy successful, and network execs attribute much of it to its yuck factor; scenes so shocking that its core demo of 13 year-old boys rush to social media to talk about it - which helps immensely to create buzz. In such a competitive TV market, even Star Trek needs to stand out, especially if it wants a young male demo.
- Watch it with the soap opera insults! Lol As someone who wrote for “General Hospital,” I cringe when people criticize other TV as being soap opera-y. True, melodrama is the most famous tool which soaps employ, but they’re really much more than that. No fair slurring an entire genre just because, okay now and then, it’s more emotional or sensational than… well, realistic. Haha
- I happened to stumble upon the Twitter feed for Jordan Nardino, the writer of “Vaulting Ambition,” and look what I found - his own detailed explanation for Mirror Georgiou’s imperial title!
“home & tired after a long day breaking S2 of #StarTrekDiscovery but I MADE A PROMISE so here's a thread explaining emperor georgiou's titles in episode 12, Vaulting Ambition.
‘All Hail her most Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, All Hail Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius.’ But what's it mean??!?
When we began digging into the Terrans last year, I had just read a newer history of Rome and was excited to use it as inspiration. (SPQR by Mary Beard, check it out.) Here's some of the titles Roman Emperors used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_emperor#Titles_and_positions
So into her titles: - Father of the Fatherland is easy, we turned that into Mother of the Fatherland (even tho we de-gendered Emperor, it felt right) - Overlord of Vulcan: an early conquest of the Terrans, they see themselves as their protectors. It's paternalistic / delusional.
- Dominus of Kronos: Terrans are very proud of conquering Qo'noS. Dominus is a harsher title the Emperor at the time took as a result (and Georgiou kept for herself). 'We OWN them.' Qo'noS mispronounced out of cultural chauvinism.
- Regina Andor: Andoria is a jewel in the Terran crown. Subjugated warrior race. Early Terran conquest, pre-Sato. The title was created to celebrate this achievement. Now as for Georgiou's many names...
'Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius.' Philipa Georgiou: her given name and her family name, just like Prime. Augustus: the Terrans see themselves as inheritors of the Roman Empire so their Emperors take the title of its first Emperor.
Iaponius is Latin for Japanese. This (in my fever dream) is a title Hoshi Sato adopted when she named herself Empress, to honor her homeland. 'So is Georgiou descended from Hoshi!?' Well...
Hoshi was Empress. 100 years later, Georgiou is Emperor. Georgiou took one of Hoshi's titles as her own to connect them. So Hoshi's legacy as Empress must be good and Georgiou must either be connected to her in a chain of succession or might want to create that connection.....
But they have different ethnic backgrounds. Hoshi is Japanese, Philipa is Chinese-Malaysian. So I don't think it's likely Philipa is a direct descendent like a great-grandchild. Cousins is possible. More likely tho...
..whoever inherited Hoshi's throne was someone she adopted as a child & heir, the way most Roman emperors did. And that Emperor adopted his/her heir, and so on, until we get to Georgiou. And she is proud of the connection and flaunts it with the title Iaponius. But...
...it's not canon until it's on screen so that's just one writer's opinion. As for Centaurius, I figured it was the first system colonized by the Terrans since it's closest to Sol so it was a title the Emperor at the time took in tribute. Hope someone found this informative! END”