Nov 15, 2017

Borg origin Story

13 comments

What if Stamets is the first borg? He's how they begin?

Nov 15, 2017

Or he's Q? Or according to Glenn the traveler..

Nov 15, 2017

Seems a bit too passionate for a borg and plenty vicious enough for Q.

Nov 15, 2017

Whoa, that would be interesting. It all starts with the arm jacks, I guess?

Nov 16, 2017

Exactly, he gets addicted to further enchantments and spends more and more time navigating the spore drive until he's more cyborg than human..

Nov 16, 2017

I've felt he is the Traveler's genesis... It totally fits and continues tying loose ends together. I've felt this from the beginning

Nov 16, 2017

I'd love for that to be the case. What an amazing connection that would be.

Nov 18, 2017

Oh my word, I'd forgotten about the Traveler. He kind of creeps me out. Just me?

 

Question to the group: I love the whimsy of these suggestions and find them super fun to think about. I also sometimes hope, though, that they won't always feel the need to connect us to other things in the Trek universe, at least not as major plot points. I love the universe being tied together in the beautiful ways that they've gone about it, but at the core of the show I want to boldly go where we haven't gone before. Does anyone else feel this way?

Nov 18, 2017

Yes, I love the callbacks or call forwards to canon but would prefer if they didn't become major plot points. I also want to see things that are different, unknown and fresh.

Nov 18, 2017

Same. And I think that we'll get away from the call-backs as the show progresses. But I still like the idea that Wesley Crusher and Stamets are traveling around space-time having strange and hilarious adventures. It's kind of like a buddy-cop story, but in space-time and with more bad sweaters.

Nov 20, 2017

I still prefer to think the Borg origin might be tied to ST:TMP's V'Ger (especially after last night's "60 Minutes" spot on the Voyager satellite!) but I do like the idea that bad sweaters are coming up on Disco and I do agree that Disco's prime directive should not be to prequel-ize great concepts from further on down the Trek timeline.

 

And now that I've employed a more general use of the usually very specific Trek term "prime directive" can someone please please please explain to me the difference between how Disco has differentiated the terms "prime directive" and "General Order One" (?) when, I believe (?) Burnham mentioned making first contact with the Pahvans? I don't remember ever hearing about a General Order One (or whatever) before.

Nov 21, 2017

Ah, yes, that's a great question. The term "Prime Directive" doesn't appear until TNG. In TOS there is something called "General Order One" or the "Non-Interference Directive." The consensus is that these are all the same thing and that the "prime" in "Prime Directive" refers to the "one" in "General Order One." Discovery's doing a nice job here of sticking with the TOS terminology (and by calling "cloaking devices" "invisibility screens").

 

As for the discussion on Pahvo, Burnham is distinguishing between GOO/PD and First Contact Protocols. The former governs whether the Federation can reveal itself or interfere with sentient beings without interstellar travel. The latter governs how the Federation interacts with newly encountered sentient beings, the rules for which seem to be about treating people with respect and not stealing their stuff.

Nov 21, 2017

Ah, thanks @Glenn! I must've heard about that shift in terminology back in the day, but had clearly forgotten. And yeah, while watching Disco I have been appreciating how everyone in the universe isn't immediately calling cloaking devices "cloaking devices," as if a memo had been put out LOL.

Nov 22, 2017

LOL indeed! I want to see the memo that Starfleet issued in between TOS and TNG changing all the names. It was probably signed by Admiral Teral.

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