1) Love the idea of including movies in the media you examine.
2) Your discussion of this movies makes me want to take a look. I was not really interested in this movie, but I will look for it.
3) In your discussion of Prometheus, you compare him with Jesus Christ. I've also read comparisons of Prometheus with Satan (though I don't recall where; maybe Milton or criticism of Milton), as in taking fire/knowledge and giving it to mankind in contradiction of Zeus'/Jehovah's will. Prometheus is punished by being thrown out of Olympus and tortured, while Satan is punished by being cast from Heaven and exiled to Hell. This particular interpretation is a little bit kind to Satan, as it: 1) skips over the whole "leading a rebellious army against Heaven" part and; 2) implies that he is giving the knowledge of good and evil to humanity because he knows that we need it to survive.
I recently watched The Witch and enjoyed it a lot. I'm not sure it's "weird". It is certainly creepy and unsettling with a side of religious fervor and an ambiguous ending.
Loved this episode and the idea of including movies in general!
While I do think "The Lighthouse" qualifies as "Lovecraftian", due to the maritime setting, the New England connection and the tentacle stuff - I think the major influence on it was Bergman's Färö trilogy, which is so heavily referenced, visually and thematically, I tend to describe this film to friends as "Imagine a Tarantino film if Tarantino had watched Bergman instead of Hong Kong action". Or, ignoring the Färö trilogy, "The Lighthouse" plays like a reply to Bergman's "Persona" (in which two women are isolated on an island together).
Lovecraft aside - The idea of "Weird Fiction" as a film term has so much potential and pulls together such a fascinating collection of films - It's inspiring! I even wrote a blog post about it, after the episode came out.
Should you ever seriously want to expand into the realm of the cinemtatic, here's a short list of "weird fiction" films that would make an interesting start, I think:
- The Killing of a Sacred Deer
- A Field in England
- The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari
- The Golem
- Werckmeister Harmonies
- Viy (the original, not the remake)
- The Color out of Space (the Richard Stanley version)
- Hour of the Wolf
- Under the Skin
- City of the Living Dead
- The VVitch
- Suspiria (2018)
- Event Horizon
- Hellraiser 1 & 2
- In the Mouth of Madness
I was disappointed by The Lighthouse when I watched it. I had also seen the very Lovecraftian trailer, and even read a (brief) description of it which included comparisons to Lovecraft. And yeah, that's not what this is at all, but I suppose I couldn't get over my hopes for what the film would be, rather than enjoying it for what it was. I found stuff to like, sure but it just didn't grab me for whatever reason. Especially strange since The VVitch is probably one of my all-time favourite films.
I wonder if the film purposefully sets up Lovecraftian red herrings in order to deconstruct the popularity Lovecraft has attained in the twenty-first century?
Needless to say, after listening to the episode, I really want to watch The Lighthouse again and give it another chance.
Brandon and I just talked about the Pan's Labyrith score on an episode we recorded! I'll have to check out Steven Wilson, whom I hadn't heard of before -- so thanks for that!
Yes, some music scores are really good for reading - and writing also. Some examples/tips from my playlist for reading/writing: the scores of 'Pan's Labyrinth', 'Perfume: the Story of a Murderer', 'The Thing' (Alan Howarth version), 'Mama', 'Coraline' and 'Last Day of June' (a computer game-score actualy, but by one of my favorite musicians, Steven Wilson).
When I saw that this movie would be discussed here and watched a trailer I really wanted to watch it. The trailer was promising and I really like Willem Dafoe (because of him I watched it as a sort of Lars von Trier movie, which was a good way to view it).
I managed to get some references and symbolism out of the film when watching it, but after listening to the podcast realize it's even richer than I thought it was. (So now I want to watch it again.) Apart from that, the acting, the artwork and the atmosphere of the movie are simply great! I think it's one of my all time favorites now. I was also surprised it was done by the same director as The Witch, also one of my favorite movies.
As for the discussion on the podcast: I also think there is no supernatural reality in this movie (sorry).
The movie is called Lovecraftian by many, and of course there is the sea, the tentacles and a remote building, but the type of fear and insanity are not Lovecraftian but clearly Poesk. As I read on the internet, the movie also references to Poe's last (unfinished) story with the posthumous title 'The Light-House' - quote: "Themes of foreboding, isolation and paranoia are apparent in The Light-House. (...) Like many of Poe's works, The Light-House has been studied autobiographically. The lighthouse keeper, then, stands in for Poe himself, who is expressing his own feelings of being alone and isolated and questioning if he can survive." (Wikipedia). If this is so, maybe the reading of the 'Toms' as one and the same person isn't so far-fetched anymore, though I preference the interpretation of two men growing insane and reestablishing folklore as source of wisdom because of isolation and the 'maddening sea'.
The question of whether Prometheus is identified with either Satan or Jesus Christ is a fascinating one. How Prometheus came to be associated with Lucifer was almost entirely through the Romantic (and in particular Blake's) reading of Milton where he read the Lucifer character as the hero. The Romantics (Shelley and Byron in particular) really liked that idea, that there is something innately heroic to being fully independent, and so ran with Luciferian imagery as long as they could. Once they got criticized enough for doing that, they switched over to Promethean imagery, and so in our time, Prometheus and Lucifer are more closely entwined than prior to Blake's interpretation of Milton.
That's the super short version anyway.